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Making it COLD!

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:40 pm
by Uriahdribble
Salt peter, Sal Ammoniac, and Sodium Sulfate powders mixed into water.

I have a century old notebook that indicates about 4 oz. (1.3 oz. of each of the above 3 chemicals (powdered THEN mixed)) per gallon of water will absorb enough heat to reduce the temperature to as little as -20 degrees F for as much as 15 minutes or more.

I would appreciate it if someone could provide the results of the reaction, including the heat absorbed (preferably in BTUs, but I can convert CGS units).
Additionally, is it possible to guesstimate the approximate time for the solution to achieve equilibrium?

Presumed left side of the reaction equation:
KNO3 + 2NH4Cl + Na2SO4 + H2O =

What is the corrected complete equation?

Re: Making it COLD!

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:45 pm
by Vitalii
Uriahdribble wrote:Salt peter, Sal Ammoniac, and Sodium Sulfate powders mixed into water.

I have a century old notebook that indicates about 4 oz. (1.3 oz. of each of the above 3 chemicals (powdered THEN mixed)) per gallon of water will absorb enough heat to reduce the temperature to as little as -20 degrees F for as much as 15 minutes or more.

I would appreciate it if someone could provide the results of the reaction, including the heat absorbed (preferably in BTUs, but I can convert CGS units).
Additionally, is it possible to guesstimate the approximate time for the solution to achieve equilibrium?

Presumed left side of the reaction equation:
KNO3 + 2NH4Cl + Na2SO4 + H2O =

What is the corrected complete equation?
No chemical reaction happens in this case. Salts are ionized by the water and that takes the heat from the solution:
KNO3(s) = KNO3(aq)
NH4Cl(s) = NH4Cl(aq)
Na2SO4(s) = Na2SO4(aq)
or the a same but in the net ionic form:
KNO3(s) = K+(aq) + NO3-(aq)
NH4Cl(s) = NH4+(aq) + Cl-(aq)
Na2SO4(s) = 2Na+(aq) + SO42-(aq)

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:54 pm
by Uriahdribble
Does that mean that after equilibrium has been achieved and the solution returns to ambient temp. I can evaporate the water off and then dry and re-use the chemicals over and over? If so that would be fantastic.

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:07 pm
by Vitalii
Yes, but you should be accurate with NH4Cl it easily decomposes:
NH4Cl(s) = NH3(g) + HCl(g)

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:36 pm
by Uriahdribble
Please clarify "be accurate with NH4Cl" What is the best way to dry this mixture safely and accurately?
I think the Na2SO4 will have to be in the anhydrous state to work again. I don't think decahydrate will work, but may be wrong.

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:41 pm
by Vitalii
You should not overheat NH4Cl ... boil slowly ...
I think that NaSO4*10H2O is what you use in the first place. And that's what you will get after the crystallization.

Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:59 pm
by rajan84
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:21 pm
by expert
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