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Formation Mechanism for Zr2S

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:43 pm
by SGV
Zirconium oxychloride octahydrate (ZrOCl2.8H2O) and thiourea (CH4N2S) to form Zirconium Sulphide in Zr2S phase.
Can anybody help with the transformation mechanism and balance the equation?

Re: Formation Mechanism for Zr2S

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:02 pm
by ChenBeier
Do you mean ZrS2, do you?
Zirkonium is four valent, not one valent.

ZrOCl2 × 8 H2O + 2 (NH2)2CS => ZrS2 + 4 NH3 + 2 CO2 + 5 H2O + 2 HCl

Re: Formation Mechanism for Zr2S

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 7:08 pm
by SGV
I meant Zr2S (examples - Ag2s and Cu2s)

Re: Formation Mechanism for Zr2S

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 8:09 pm
by saun
The formation of zirconium sulfide (Zr₂S) from zirconium oxychloride octahydrate (ZrOCl₂·8H₂O) and thiourea (CH₄N₂S) involves a series of chemical reactions, including hydrolysis, decomposition, and reduction. Below is a proposed mechanism and the balanced chemical equation for the process.

Proposed Mechanism:
  • Hydrolysis of Zirconium Oxychloride:
ZrOCl₂·8H₂O undergoes hydrolysis in water to form zirconium hydroxide (Zr(OH)₄) and hydrochloric acid (HCl):
ZrOCl2⋅8H2O→Zr(OH)4+2HCl+7H2O

  • Decomposition of Thiourea:
Thiourea decomposes upon heating to release hydrogen sulfide (H₂S), which acts as the sulfur source for zirconium sulfide formation:
CH4N2S→H2S+HCN+NH3

  • Reaction of Zirconium Hydroxide with Hydrogen Sulfide:
Zirconium hydroxide reacts with hydrogen sulfide to form zirconium sulfide (Zr₂S) and water:
2Zr(OH)4+3H2S→Zr2S+8H2O


Balanced Overall Equation:

Combining the above steps, the overall balanced equation for the formation of Zr₂S is:
2ZrOCl2⋅8H2O+3CH4N2S→Zr2S+6HCl+3HCN+3NH3+23H2O

Key Points:
  • Thiourea acts as a sulfur source by decomposing to H₂S.
  • Zirconium oxychloride hydrolyzes to form zirconium hydroxide, which then reacts with H₂S to produce Zr₂S.
  • The reaction is typically carried out under controlled heating conditions to ensure complete decomposition and reaction.

Re: Formation Mechanism for Zr2S

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 2:14 am
by ChenBeier
Zirkonium is not one valent. Zr2S is not existing.
ZrS2 is existing. 4 valent.

A lot of errors in the equations

ZrOCl2⋅8H2O→Zr(OH)4+2HCl+7H2O not balanced
Left 9 O right 11 O
Left 16 H right 20 H

CH4N2S→H2S+HCN+NH3 not balanced
Left 4 H right 6 H

2Zr(OH)4+3H2S→Zr2S+8H2O not balanced

Left 14 H right 16 H
Left 3 S right 1 S

2ZrOCl2⋅8H2O+3CH4N2S→Zr2S+6HCl+3HCN+3NH3+23H2O not balanced
Left 10 O right 23 O
Left 4 Cl right 6 Cl
Left 28 H right 64 H



Show me a link or book where Zr2S is published.

Re: Formation Mechanism for Zr2S

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 2:29 am
by ChenBeier
SGV wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 7:08 pm I meant Zr2S (examples - Ag2s and Cu2s)
Copper and silver in first group, zirconium in fourth group of transition metals in PSE.

Re: Formation Mechanism for Zr2S

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 7:01 am
by SGV
Hello ChenBeier,
I have this doi, please refer below!
10.1016/0022-5088(88)90200-7
The reaction of zirconium with sulphur can form a variety of sulphide phases such as ZrS, ZrS2, ZrS3, Zr2S3, ZrS4, and ZrOS based on the reaction parameters, so there will be a possibility for Zr2S right?
if it is possible to form Zr2S, what is the mechanism?
The answers will be much appreciated!
Thank you!

Re: Formation Mechanism for Zr2S

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 7:47 am
by ChenBeier
I don't know what this number 10.1016/0022-5088(88)90200-7 means.
I don't think that beside ZrS and ZrS2 any other sulfides existing under normal conditions.

You would need a redox reaction. Thiourea I think can not do it.

The reaction with water is:

(NH2)2CS + H2O =>(NH2)2CO + H2S Thiourea change to Urea and hydrogen sulfide

(NH2)2CO + H2O => 2 NH3 + CO2 Decomposition to ammonia and carbon dioxide.

No change in Oxidation number of N, S,H and O.

H2S can react with ZrCl2 × 8 H2O

ZrOCl2 × 8 H2O + 2 H2S => ZrS2 + 9 H2O + 2 HCl

In both ZrOCl2 × 8 H2O and ZrS2 zirconium has +4 oxidation number.

Exoting compounds reported bei oxidation of zirconium.

https://pubs.aip.org/aip/apl/article/10 ... -zirconium

But I don't think they can be made with Thiourea.

You would need Zr 4+ + 3 e- => Zr+
Where do the 3 electrons come from. Who is the reducer.

Suppose ammonia is the reducer
Then 2 NH3 => N2 + 6 H+ + 6 e-

In Summe
2 Zr 4+ + 2 NH3 => 2 Zr+ + 6 H+ + N2

2 (ZrOCl2 × 8 H2O) + (NH2)2CS => Zr2S + N2+ CO2 + 16 H2O + 4 HCl

Re: Formation Mechanism for Zr2S

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 7:24 pm
by SGV
My reducer is N-Methyl-2-Pyrollidone, I utilized NaOH to maintain the pH around 12-14.
Can you help me with this?

Thank you!

Re: Formation Mechanism for Zr2S

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2025 2:41 am
by ChenBeier
N-Methyl-2-Pyrollidone is a organic solvent. You have inorganic compounds. Make no sense. And where does the sulfur comes from.

Re: Formation Mechanism for Zr2S

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2025 2:58 am
by SGV
Chenbeier, please check your inbox!

Re: Formation Mechanism for Zr2S

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2025 3:08 am
by ChenBeier
I don't answer on pn. Sorry.
I dont think NMP is able to reduce a stable oxidation number to an unstabe one. And what should be the oxidation products?

Re: Formation Mechanism for Zr2S

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2025 3:12 am
by SGV
Sure. Thanks for the reply!