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E1 or E2

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2024 6:32 am
by Zayan
I had this question
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I did it by E2 mechanism since it's tbuoh (bulky base) and made the hoffman product so option A.
But the solution manual did it by E1 and did rearrangement to get option C.
What is the correct mechanism of this reaction and hence the correct major product?

Re: E1 or E2

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2024 7:38 am
by ChenBeier
I would say some percentage b and also c.

The iodine will be eliminated. A positive charge will remain on this carbon. But this is instable, a H hydrogen from next C-atom with methylgroup will jump in and the charge will go to the next or over the next C- atom, because the methyl or ethylgroups stabilise the carbenium. One of them will loose a hydrogen and the double bond will be formed.

Re: E1 or E2

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2024 7:42 am
by Zayan
But why did you do the E1 mechanism. It's tert butyl alcohol(bulky base) shouldn't it do the hoffman E2 elimination making option A?

Re: E1 or E2

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2024 8:00 am
by ChenBeier
It's tert butyl alcohol. It's only solvent not a base. We don't talking about potassium tert butylate. The Elimination is only done by heat as also written.

Re: E1 or E2

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2024 1:37 am
by Zayan
Can you please list a strong bases and weak bases so that I can differentiate between E1 and E2 I often get stuck is there a way to know what to prefer

Re: E1 or E2

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:12 am
by ChenBeier
Strong, alcoholates R-O- Me+, Hydroxide MeOH, Me(OH)2 Me = Alcali- and earth alcali metall
weak Ammonia, alkylamines, Arylamines , water , Alcohol,

A strong base is a base that is 100% ionized in solution. If it is less than 100% ionized in solution, it is a weak base.

Check list of pKb values