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Re: Condition of disharge sulfat anions on anode

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 2:13 am
by ChenBeier
Ammoniumsalts will decompose to ammonia and hydrogen. The anion reacts like above to peroxodissulfate.

Re: Condition of disharge sulfat anions on anode

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 2:37 am
by Nimmull
Melted salt give the peroxidsulfate anion? But what then need to get SO3 + O instead of (S2O8)2-?

Re: Condition of disharge sulfat anions on anode

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 2:40 am
by ChenBeier
Use iron sulfate.

PS: For what purpose you need it?

Re: Condition of disharge sulfat anions on anode

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 2:46 am
by Nimmull
What purpose: When we use chlorides we get chlor and metal, chlor we can send back transforming him to HCl. Can we do same with sulfates?

Re: Condition of disharge sulfat anions on anode

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 6:02 am
by ChenBeier
If you want to obtain the metal, then a aqueous solution is sufficient. The sulfat will not be attacked. Its common way to do electrolysis.
If you melt a chloride you get chlorine by electrolysis. But where do you get the hydrogen. This happens only also in an aqueous solution or you have to produce it on different way.

I really don't get you what you want. It's look like a trolling post. Please stop it.

Re: Condition of disharge sulfat anions on anode

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 6:44 am
by Nimmull
In russian chemical forum i asks: how can transform sulfate by electric current to get a metal and concentrated sulfuric acid? All of them says: it's impossible. But i know how to do this, i not trolling i prepare experiment.

Re: Condition of disharge sulfat anions on anode

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 6:46 am
by Nimmull
Hydrogen will be created in second electrolyzer or obtained from water.

Re: Condition of disharge sulfat anions on anode

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 8:54 am
by Nimmull
If Before i want create device to this devise put sulfat, connect gidrogen by pipe and electricity. We get a metal on cathode and waterless sulfuric acid moving put via other pipe.
This will work by high speed electronics controling electrolytic process.
But i create another idea on direct current: electrolytic decomposition sulfate to metal and sulfuric anhydride produced in organic ionic liquid.
I not kidding.
And not trolling.

Re: Condition of disharge sulfat anions on anode

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 9:10 am
by Nimmull
When i will do this experiment i will create a video and say to russian chemical forum members:
Participants at the Russian chemical forum told me that this is impossible, look, it works. And which of us is an ass now?

Re: Condition of disharge sulfat anions on anode

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 9:44 am
by ChenBeier
Are you russian?

Re: Condition of disharge sulfat anions on anode

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 9:57 am
by Nimmull
With according to my passport yes. But i not think that i russian. My soul is not russian.

Re: Condition of disharge sulfat anions on anode

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 10:09 am
by ChenBeier
Dont say this to loud. The arm of the big bear can reach you every where.

Re: Condition of disharge sulfat anions on anode

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 10:40 am
by Nimmull
I think mechanism of sulfate anions discharge not effected by cation. In waterless sulfuric acid we will give peroxidsulfate ions but in melted sulfate we get SO3 + O because the anode potentials is different in waterless sulfuric acid and melted sulfate.
A you know the books about it? Russian books i not found.

Re: Condition of disharge sulfat anions on anode

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 10:44 am
by Nimmull
ChenBeier wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 10:09 am Dont say this to loud. The arm of the big bear can reach you every where.
Yes i know. There are dangerous speak russian in russian internet.

Re: Condition of disharge sulfat anions on anode

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 10:51 am
by ChenBeier
Do you stay in russia or in other country.