How to make Sodium hydroxymethanesulfonate

Chemistry and homework help forum.

Organic Chemistry, Analytical Chemistry, Biochemistry, Physical Chemistry, Computational Chemistry, Theoretical Chemistry, High School Chemistry, Colledge Chemistry and University Chemistry Forum.

Share your chemistry ideas, discuss chemical problems, ask for help with scientific chemistry questions, inspire others by your chemistry vision!

Please feel free to start a scientific chemistry discussion here!

Discuss chemistry homework problems with experts!

Ask for help with chemical questions and help others with your chemistry knowledge!

Moderators: Xen, expert, ChenBeier

Post Reply
easypeasyac
Sr. Member
Sr. Member
Posts: 28
Joined: Wed Oct 11, 2023 2:14 am

How to make Sodium hydroxymethanesulfonate

Post by easypeasyac »

Hello;
I am trying to synthesize sodium hydroxymethanesulfonate from formaldehyde and sodium metabisulfite.

I know that when sodium metabisulfite dissolve in water it gives sodium bisulfite
Na2S2O5 + H2O → 2 Na + 2 HSO3

Then how can i synthesize sodium hydroxymethanesulfonate with 37% formaldehyde solution.

Thank you.
User avatar
ChenBeier
Distinguished Member
Distinguished Member
Posts: 1565
Joined: Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:25 am
Location: Berlin, Germany

Re: How to make Sodium hydroxymethanesulfonate

Post by ChenBeier »

You mix equimolar amount of bisulfite powder and formaldehyde. Let it crystallize under a good ventilated hood.

NaHSO3 + CH2O => HOCH2- SO3 Na

It can be produced also as byproduct from Dithionite

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rongalite
Mnaiosa
Jr. Member
Jr. Member
Posts: 6
Joined: Sun Jul 16, 2023 7:58 pm

Re: How to make Sodium hydroxymethanesulfonate

Post by Mnaiosa »

The reaction of sodium metabisulfite with water yields sodium bisulfite, as I am aware.
run 3
User avatar
ChenBeier
Distinguished Member
Distinguished Member
Posts: 1565
Joined: Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:25 am
Location: Berlin, Germany

Re: How to make Sodium hydroxymethanesulfonate

Post by ChenBeier »

Thats is written above already.
easypeasyac
Sr. Member
Sr. Member
Posts: 28
Joined: Wed Oct 11, 2023 2:14 am

Re: How to make Sodium hydroxymethanesulfonate

Post by easypeasyac »

ChenBeier wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:37 amIt can be produced also as byproduct from Dithionite

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rongalite
Dear ChenBeier thank you for your reply.
Rongalite is a Sodium hydroxymethanesulfinate, I am trying to produce sodium hydroxymethanesulfonate.

Can I produce sodium hydroxymethanesulfonate from dithionite?
User avatar
ChenBeier
Distinguished Member
Distinguished Member
Posts: 1565
Joined: Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:25 am
Location: Berlin, Germany

Re: How to make Sodium hydroxymethanesulfonate

Post by ChenBeier »

Read again the Article, you get both.
easypeasyac
Sr. Member
Sr. Member
Posts: 28
Joined: Wed Oct 11, 2023 2:14 am

Re: How to make Sodium hydroxymethanesulfonate

Post by easypeasyac »

ChenBeier wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 5:06 am Read again the Article, you get both.
Got it @ ChenBeier.

Na2S2O4 + 2 CH2O + H2O → HO-CH2-SO3Na + HO-CH2-SO2Na

Molecular weight of Na2S2O4=174.1071 g/mol
Molecular weight of CH2O=30.0260 g/mol
Molecular weight of HO-CH2-SO3Na =134.0869 g/mol
Molecular weight of HO-CH2-SO2Na =118.0875 g/mol

Then if I dissolve 100 grams Na2S2O4 in water and add 34.4914 grams CH2O I will get 77.0140 grams HO-CH2-SO3Na and 67.8246 grams HO-CH2-SO2Na
ChenBeier wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:37 am You mix equimolar amount of bisulfite powder and formaldehyde. Let it crystallize under a good ventilated hood.

NaHSO3 + CH2O => HOCH2- SO3 Na

It can be produced also as byproduct from Dithionite

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rongalite

Na2S2O5 + H2O → 2 Na+ + 2 HSO3

Molecular weight of Na2S2O5=190.1065 g/mol
Molecular weight of NaHSO3=104.0609 g/mol
Molecular weight of CH2O=30.0260 g/mol

So if I dissolve 100 grams Na2S2O5 in water, I will get 109.4764 grams NaHSO3

Then I need to add 31.5886 grams formaldehyde to the mixture and I will get 141.065 grams CH3NaO4S

Is my calculations right :roll:
User avatar
ChenBeier
Distinguished Member
Distinguished Member
Posts: 1565
Joined: Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:25 am
Location: Berlin, Germany

Re: How to make Sodium hydroxymethanesulfonate

Post by ChenBeier »

Correct
easypeasyac
Sr. Member
Sr. Member
Posts: 28
Joined: Wed Oct 11, 2023 2:14 am

Re: How to make Sodium hydroxymethanesulfonate

Post by easypeasyac »

ChenBeier wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:53 amCorrect
Thank you 8)

What about commercial formaldehyde solutions? Just noticed almost every brand have methanol in it as a stabilizer. Is methanol affect this reactions? :roll:
User avatar
ChenBeier
Distinguished Member
Distinguished Member
Posts: 1565
Joined: Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:25 am
Location: Berlin, Germany

Re: How to make Sodium hydroxymethanesulfonate

Post by ChenBeier »

No it doesn't effect.
easypeasyac
Sr. Member
Sr. Member
Posts: 28
Joined: Wed Oct 11, 2023 2:14 am

Re: How to make Sodium hydroxymethanesulfonate

Post by easypeasyac »

ChenBeier wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:25 pm No it doesn't effect.
Thank you
Post Reply